Comments on: Can I use blackhat article spinning (spintax) for whitehat purposes?

By: Patrick Coombe

Patrick Coombe — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:28:33 +0000

oh – without a doubt.the e.g.s I just gave were the ones I use. the only times I don’t think spinning is good is for blog posts and such. any time you use spinning to “game the system” I don’t think is really useful but spinning to increase productivity is great.

By: Patrick Coombe

Patrick Coombe — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:26:50 +0000

In reply to Savas Papadopoulos.

hey Savas – sorry I missed your comment, excellent point. you are far more knowledgable about these algorithms than I am. mine really comes from experience and correlations I’ve made over the years.

I’d definitely agree with what you said. I think its just really important to not fall into any sort of habits when spinning anything. word level is the best, but I like a combination of word level / phrase level and sentence level and then mix and match all of the above.

For me, most of the spinning I do is for things like – Ad copy for HUGE PPC accounts, WooCommerce sites with like 5000 products all of which are very similar etc.

Thanks again for commenting I’m so glad this post got so much love!

Patrick

By: Valerie Pratin

Valerie Pratin — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:24:40 +0000

In reply to Mike.

You’re right, Mike, people don’t realise how long it takes to do it the right way. But there’s no doubt it saves a huge amount of time in comparison with writing each article manually. And with a specific tool to analyse the output articles similarity and extract the most different ones, you have a control on similarity that you wouldn’t have if you were to manually write each text.

Did it have a positive impact on your website, eventually?

Best regards,
Valerie from spin{|}wave

By: Valerie Pratin

Valerie Pratin — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:18:36 +0000

In reply to Savas Papadopoulos.

You are right, Savas, except that you can’t use bi-grams for this detection. It starts with 3-grams and up. In fact, I wouldn’t recommend using article spinning services for PBN or web 2.0s networks. But it works remarkably well when this content is hosted under the same domain name. For example, for geolocalized pages (plumber Atlanta, plumber Chicago, etc.). You can even use spinning to build siloing structures inside one site and push the important page you want to rank for. As long as they are published on the same site, if they can’t be detected by readers and if the similarity ratio is under 25~30%, you’re on the highway to success. I agree with your conclusion about writing unique articles and using article spinning. Both are interesting for specific (and different) cases.

Kindly yours,
Valerie from spin{|}wave

By: Valerie Pratin

Valerie Pratin — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 21:08:54 +0000

In reply to JW.

Hi JW,

We’re “one” of those guys too, for the french market. I confirm everything: when done with care (and with specific tools), article spinning can not be detected by readers. But it can be detected by the footprints it leaves. I suppose the concept of n-grams is familiar to you?

In our team, 12 people are dedicated to this activity and they work full-time. For e-commerce products descriptions or real estates but also for custom newsletters based on clients history, etc. Yes, because modern spinning works with variables and logic conditions now. It’s just the grand-{fa|mo}ther of NLG/NLP (Natural Language Generation/Natural Language Processing). The difference between article spinning and NLG is just like between your old Nokia 3310 and the new iPhone X (as a side note, I’m not affiliated to Apple in any way).

I’d be interested in contacting you when we need to produce spintax in english for some clients, JW. How can I contact you? Maybe Patrick would be so kind to forward my email adress to you?

I could share so many traffic curves showing that this technique is working extremely well. You are free to believe me or not 🙂

By the way, very good piece of content here, Patrick, congrats for that!

Best regards,
Valerie, from spin{|}wave.

By: GIORGIO TURRI

GIORGIO TURRI — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 10:37:20 +0000

I agree with your article.
However, in other scenarios like classified ads and other stuff spintax could be very usefull.
I think that spent time writing an article and spin it could be useful when we thinking in way to extende the original one or to store different portion of an article within a database.
In example first article should be composed of 2 paragraph, 20 sentesences with question, answers, assertion.
We can create a large database that contains several spinned paragraph related to the content of the main article.
Using keyword relevancy and prominence we can bring all the paragraph that can extend the main article and update or extend it. Also spinning text must be done in different ways like thought by blackhat techniques.
Assume that you have an paragraph which include some sentences with question and response. What we can do ? We can manipulate text in order to create several different versions which expose the context in different manner. First we can have a question with several different answers, we can have several question which expose the answers at different level. We can change totally the logic of a single prhase. We can choose to add or remove automatically paragraphs sentences and so on so forth
Also there’s another important aspect to understand. Make a simple spinning is not important. The must important thing is to choosing the different one which present different pattern, no plagiarism and so on so forth. This should be very usefull.
Store those versions in a database and search in it base on our need can reduce dramatically the time to wrote a new one.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 08:27:11 +0000

I used this approach on a large ecommerce website a few years ago, we wanted to improve internal linking between categories and were allocated a block of ‘seo text’ across all the category/sub-cat pages to achieve this. This was a huge job with about 350 parent categories each having 5 to 10 sub-cats and it was incredibly dull work for our copywriters! So to help speed up delivery and keep our copywriters sane we utilised spintax so that we could create a couple of relevant and unique paragraphs for every category which all contained relevant links to other related categories.

Using this approach we were able to group all categories under just 10 key themes such as home, garden, electrical etc, and still produce relevant content for each of the category pages.

It still took a decent amount of work to set up and the output needed to be sense checked, edited and some content still needed to be created fresh for a few corner cases, but overall it saved us a great deal of time and effort!

By: Savas Papadopoulos

Savas Papadopoulos — Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:35:48 +0000

Excellent article and definitely worth looking into. What I would like to add is that spun content is generally detected by using 2-grams and 3-grams, which are basically groups of words that appear in the text. If you can keep the number of equal 2-grams and 3-grams to a minimum when comparing your spun articles, it will go undetected.
Leaving out paragraphs and sentences works as mentioned above. Also, introducing additional words breaks n-gram detection as well.
Another fact is that a lot of content out there is “reused” using spinning even in the press and all sorts of publications, not just for SEO….
It makes really little sense to spend money and labor on writing unique articles when your competition pumps them out by the thousands using sophisticated tools…unless you have access to post them on really high-ranking websites.

By: Patrick Coombe

Patrick Coombe — Sat, 20 May 2017 02:34:09 +0000

In reply to JW.

this dude knows what he’s (or she’s) talking about and I’ll tell you why: he’s got one of the few 2 digit hotmail addresses I’ve ever seen 🙂

also – spot on and I’ld love to see an example of some of these monster articles! (I promise I won’t steal your niche)

By: JW

JW — Fri, 19 May 2017 20:20:11 +0000

Let me tell you that 100000% there is nothing wrong with spintax when used in the way that you do it. I have used exactly the same methods for years and here’s the point…as you say, it has to be done with planning and not just throwing words that don’t make any sense.

What most people DO NOT do when spinning and how they get caught out is by having many pages on a site with a VERY similar number of words on the page. YES, the content is much different each time, but the length is suspiciously similar. Is it NATURAL to have 300-10000 pages of content all around 320 words? Nope. THIS is what and how Google catches and caught most of the spinnerati (I just made that up and like it!).

A site of 1000 pages all of very similar length. So easy for Google to algorithmically detect.

My point – the most important thing to do when spinning is to vary text length as well as all of the points that you make. Varying text length is done by the easiest part of all which is choosing whether to show or not show a sentence or a paragraph etc.

For example, the true art of spinning is done by 0.1% – and those are the guys that still make all the money from rankings they still attain. This is because they vary not just the words, but the showing or not showing of whole paragraphs or sentences or sections. These guys (I’m one of them) will write 1000 word articles, but on average show only 300 – 800 words – with sentences shown on some and not others, with some paragraphs shown on some and not others – and even the sentences/paragraphs that are shown may be shuffled in their order…and the article STILL reads correctly.

How long will it take one of the 0.1% to write a 1000 word article that is spun with all of the rules I suggested? It may take a week, or even a month. But you know what? That content makes them THOUSANDS every year.

The rule is to use the mechanics of spin, but the innovation and creativity of an artist to ensure that it’s absolutely perfect by the time that it is used.

The average time it takes the average webmaster that uses spintax – even the good guys – is hours…when they should be spending DAYS or more on it.

So, does spintax work and is it white hat – ABSOLUTELY 100000% – most of the fortune 500 and the world’s best news sites use spintax THOUSANDS of times per HOUR! They just put the work in at the front end to randomise the sentences, the order, whether a sentence is used or not – and make it all look like it was written by a very well educated person.

Spintax is hugely successful – you’ve read it several times today in your browsing…but it’s by those in the 0.1% that take time to do so.